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Education category "Other school cert"

Added by Rachel Sumner almost 4 years ago. Updated over 3 years ago.

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Hi

From Wave 2 variables qfhigh/nqfhigh there is an option "Other school cert". At what academic level would this be? Do you have examples of what sort of cert this may be please (i.e. 11+, common entrance)?

Many thanks!

Rachel

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#1 Updated by Victoria Nolan over 3 years ago

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Dear Rachel,

Taking a look at the questionnaire, the response option this category relates to is “Other school (inc. school leaving exam certificate or matriculation)”. Essentially this is a catch-all category designed to mop up those who don’t have any of the qualifications specifically mentioned in the other response options but do have some sort of formal school qualification. In particular for England and Wales, this may be a School Certificate - the standard external examination taken at the age of 16 which operated from 1918 to 1951, i.e., the precursor to O Levels. However, due to the indeterminate nature of these catch-all type questions, it is hard to infer with precision what academic level these cases may relate to.

We hope this helps,
Best wishes, Victoria

On behalf of the Understanding Society Data User Support Team

#2 Updated by Victoria Nolan over 3 years ago

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Hi Rachel,

Many thanks for your follow-up email on this:

Thanks very much for your response. This has clarified the situation for us. We have another problem with the education category in terms of trying to sort it to an educational level. The two responses “teaching qual not PGCE” and “Nursing/other med qual” – what educational level would they equate to please? Would they be parallel to A Level or Undergraduate level? We are trying to collapse some categories to balance our cell sizes, and we weren’t sure which educational level these were most similar to.

We are looking into this here and will get back to you as soon as we can.

Victoria.

#3 Updated by Victoria Nolan over 3 years ago

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Hi Rachel,

Apologies for the delay - we have been looking into this, hopefully the information below will help.

Best wishes, Victoria.

Any particular data handling strategy will no doubt depend on the research question one is trying to analyse so the answer to your query could depend on a number of things but the conventional pragmatic approach is generally to code these qualifications as above an A Level but below an undergraduate degree (i.e., equivalent to Level 5 of the Regulated Qualifications Framework (RQF)). This may or may not be suitable for your purposes, though.

In reality, the histories of teacher and nursing training in the UK means that it is not always easy to identify an equivalent educational level. Take teacher training for example.

Teaching only became a degree profession following the Report of the James Committee (1971/72). Before that things we more mixed. The 19th century model of the Pupil Teacher apprenticeships was abolished sometime in the early twentieth century and during the interwar period Boards of Education gradually ceded involvement in teacher training to universities.1. Various developments in policy and particular watersheds like the 1944 Education Act and the 1963 Robbins Report on Higher Education meant that it was possible to train as a teacher on a 2-year course, 3-year course or 4-year course. Estimates suggests that.2:

"By 1969-70, there were 326,000 teachers in England and Wales. Of these, 52,268 (16%) were trained graduates, 20,898 (6.4%) untrained graduates, 159,548 (48.9%) non-graduates (1-2 yr training) and 79,771 (24.5%) non-graduates (3 yr training) (Coombe Lodge Report, p.528)."

There is also the suggestion that the distinction between teacher training for primary and secondary level is rooted in biases of gender and class. Teaching in primary schools was seen as lower level, lower status so the requirements for teacher training were not as rigourous.3.

1. See http://www.erpjournal.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ERPV33-2_Robinsn-W.-2006.-Teacher-training-in-England-and-Wales.pdf
2. See http://www.history.ac.uk/history-in-education/sites/history-in-education/files/attachments/teacher_training_-_up_to_the_1960s.doc
3. See http://www.history.ac.uk/history-in-education/sites/history-in-education/files/attachments/teacher_training_-_up_to_the_1960s.doc

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